tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8382651243381952237.post1089801929876260513..comments2023-10-14T15:17:52.903+08:00Comments on Shenzhen Undercover: Chinese Hiring @ the FactoryMike Baihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10068341672299379597noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8382651243381952237.post-70663523975981378712007-06-27T20:01:00.000+08:002007-06-27T20:01:00.000+08:00Yeah, employees jump very quickly in China... I've...Yeah, employees jump very quickly in China... I've had two engineers I have been working with (different company) up and leave without informing us. <BR/><BR/>Hey Mike - want to do a link exchange? with www.thechinaexpat.com<BR/><BR/>Take careAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10429351993482531969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8382651243381952237.post-54207778389129615582007-04-25T09:37:00.000+08:002007-04-25T09:37:00.000+08:00About standards: I had intended to mention this in...About standards: I had intended to mention this in my previous comment, but I had forgotten to write it.<BR/><BR/>I do know some foreign teachers at private universities, and as far as I know they do still need to meet certain legal requirements (such as the same politics classes that all university students have to take regardless of their major). As for the quality of the teaching, it's not necessarily worse than the lower end of the public school spectrum. Perhaps the most difficult aspect is that reputations are not well known for the private schools, particularly the newer ones.<BR/><BR/>Which brings me to an important point: school reputation in general. For all but the best schools, the reputation of even a well-known school can't be trusted. The standards that schools in other countries employ, such as for hiring teachers, publishing research, awarding tenure (or its Chinese equivalent) or graduating students do not hold in many of the schools. But still there is a lot of bureaucratic hoops to go through that don't necessarily relate to the academic environment. And that's an unfortunate weight that can bog down the promise of a school.<BR/><BR/>Ultimately, this is why examinations come to be considered as crucial because they are seen as the only objective measure for the ability of students. But even ignoring the validity of that assertion, their effectiveness is hampered by rampant cheating, which is sometimes unofficially sanctioned by the individual schools because they know that the one tried and true measure to increase their reputation is to boast higher scoring students.Renehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04713024252459783138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8382651243381952237.post-15409721403902185822007-04-24T21:11:00.000+08:002007-04-24T21:11:00.000+08:00Steve, I think your right. People do want to hop f...Steve, I think your right. People do want to hop from one place to another, either to build his/her resume or to earn more money. It could very much be the case in the developing countries...since more and more Western corporations are coming in and giving better packages. <BR/><BR/>The thing is, I dont think that's true for all of the people who leave though. I've seen different examples where the company did not do a good job in trying to retain the human capital. When you dont give pay raises, better benefits, more respect and responsibility to the people who are good and loyal... they're going to leave.Mike Baihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10068341672299379597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8382651243381952237.post-51314837100637021532007-04-24T21:07:00.000+08:002007-04-24T21:07:00.000+08:00Rene - I definitely saw that article. Funny times ...Rene - <BR/><BR/>I definitely saw that article. Funny times in the life of Chinese university life right? <BR/><BR/>I dont know if my company would be that great of a choice... too much politicing and bs. blah blah. <BR/><BR/>My question is: what's the quality of the teachers and administrators at those schools??Mike Baihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10068341672299379597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8382651243381952237.post-58812704523464041042007-04-24T12:37:00.000+08:002007-04-24T12:37:00.000+08:00Mike, I think it's good for the worker, it's bad f...Mike, I think it's good for the worker, it's bad for the company. I'll give you an example, at my work we are trying to leverage our Malaysia facility to design and manufacture phones for the Asia market. While it would be ideal for them to function as an autonomous design center, it's been impossible. When you have a crappy job retention rate (one that I speculate is just part of the culture of building a resume and bouncing around for money), it's difficult to run a business when you have to re-train engineers all the time.<BR/><BR/>To me it's starting to feel like a burden that hasn't shown a substantial return of investment yet. I don't know if this is typical of other companies operating in China, but if it's just a source of bleeding money, maybe foreign investment in overseas work will suffer. ?Wanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14732829294553674517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8382651243381952237.post-25268942219265928252007-04-24T09:14:00.000+08:002007-04-24T09:14:00.000+08:00There are still plenty of English majors to go aro...There are still plenty of English majors to go around... trust me, I teach them. If you'd like some for your company, I'm sure they'd work for cheaper than a local hire. :)<BR/><BR/>But what your COO said about the quality of students coming through is very true. I teach at a school that does not have great renown but is still "legitimate," and to some extent some students can still buy a degree if they have the money or the right connections.<BR/><BR/>The New York Times had an article about a year ago about student protests that were caused because their satellite school didn't quite give them the degree they expected. I believe it happened in Shandong, but I'm not positive.Renehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04713024252459783138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8382651243381952237.post-72689122734947091322007-04-23T12:49:00.000+08:002007-04-23T12:49:00.000+08:00Big Wang - I think it's ok for people to stay for ...Big Wang - I think it's ok for people to stay for 2 years and leave. If another company comes to you with much more money, much more benefits, much more opportunities, you'd definitely go. I think that's natural ... right?Mike Baihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10068341672299379597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8382651243381952237.post-24492994396163490372007-04-23T12:46:00.000+08:002007-04-23T12:46:00.000+08:00CLB - In my previous experience, people have atlea...CLB - In my previous experience, people have atleast a few months to show what they can do. However, things can turn at any second.Mike Baihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10068341672299379597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8382651243381952237.post-12838777998745421132007-04-23T12:42:00.000+08:002007-04-23T12:42:00.000+08:00It is interesting that hiring is done this way. Co...It is interesting that hiring is done this way. Conversely, I'm not sure how our companies outsourcing is done, but we have retention problems at our facility in Malaysia. Employees stay for 2 years, add it to their resume and bounce to a new higher paying job. I guess it's only natural given that workers aren't hired for fit in the first place and if they aren't a good fit they can just be fired later on.Wanghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14732829294553674517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8382651243381952237.post-27729575666336573112007-04-23T05:36:00.000+08:002007-04-23T05:36:00.000+08:00Interesting post. That is amazing how the company...Interesting post. That is amazing how the company seems so willing to just jetison someone if they do not work out. How much time does one actually have to prove onself before risking the boot?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com